I am a GasGas diehard but I am not buying the ?Pierer whitewash, with all due respect to Mark, Pierer only shows up when he smells blood and he wants to highjack new technology(aka husaberg) he will coop the ranger and some other technology then bankrupt GasGas,thus one less competitor for KTM. I am going to buy one of the leftover gassers before they are gone FOREVER. I am very sad to see this happen.
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blitz11
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Question (and too late to matter).
Do we know how much did KTM/Pierer pay for the 60% in GasGas? I would be interested in that. He probably didn't pay much. It would have been cool if we could have done a "kickstarter" (note subtle irony) campaign to buy GasGas, and put Mark in charge.
I sense that if Mark was to be in charge, we'd all be better off.
Do we know how much did KTM/Pierer pay for the 60% in GasGas? I would be interested in that. He probably didn't pay much. It would have been cool if we could have done a "kickstarter" (note subtle irony) campaign to buy GasGas, and put Mark in charge.
I sense that if Mark was to be in charge, we'd all be better off.
shawbagga
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Steffy couldn't give 2 pinches of goat s#%t about brands, their employees or consumers. Especially a small brand like GG. He's a cut throat businessman period. He's in the business of making money for himself & investors/shareholders at whatever cost! Arrogance in a nutshell.
They can sugar coat it all they like but GG is dead same as 'Berg & Husky. The name may live on but it won't be a real Gasser if it does. I so wish I'm wrong on this but I know I'm right. 60% is a major controlling share. It's a takeover however ya wanna dress it up. Spain has only got themselves to blame though.
They can sugar coat it all they like but GG is dead same as 'Berg & Husky. The name may live on but it won't be a real Gasser if it does. I so wish I'm wrong on this but I know I'm right. 60% is a major controlling share. It's a takeover however ya wanna dress it up. Spain has only got themselves to blame though.
Zman
Platinum Level Site Supporter
We had orange and black ktms, then we got white and blue ktms and soon we will have red and white ktms.
We knew something had to happen to prevent them from closing their doors. At least this way we will have another year or two of the best GG ever made and some parts availability going forward for the older Spanish GGs.
We knew something had to happen to prevent them from closing their doors. At least this way we will have another year or two of the best GG ever made and some parts availability going forward for the older Spanish GGs.
shawbagga
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Great sport haha.
farmerj
Platinum Level Site Supporter
And to be clear (which is hard on social media!) I appreciate all the posts above. My comment to Mark is referring to the big picture, knowing which general issues that come up to speak into.
For me, this discussion is something like therapy - which probably means that I am taking dirt bikes too seriously
I have been excited about GG developing a new motor (with a more robust starter, for instance). Will the new owners put money into R&D for a new engine, when they have already put it into technology they have recently developed? Does "economy of scale" mean sourcing components that save 5% (or whatever) of costs vs. continuing with those components that GG currently uses?
I appreciate the caution not to "over-speculate" as well. I guess the old phrase "time will tell" comes into play here...we'll know a lot in another year!
Jeff
For me, this discussion is something like therapy - which probably means that I am taking dirt bikes too seriously
I have been excited about GG developing a new motor (with a more robust starter, for instance). Will the new owners put money into R&D for a new engine, when they have already put it into technology they have recently developed? Does "economy of scale" mean sourcing components that save 5% (or whatever) of costs vs. continuing with those components that GG currently uses?I appreciate the caution not to "over-speculate" as well. I guess the old phrase "time will tell" comes into play here...we'll know a lot in another year!
Jeff
Vindicator
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I'm sad. I really am.
For all that GasGas represented to all of us but most important for all the hard working staff that regretfully, again, face an uncertain future with this company.
I would like to believe that SP has the nicest plans for the brand but simply don't see it that way. They don't need/want any of the technology GG has to offer but does cut some corners on developing a trials bike. What for? MotoGP is their goal now. Electric bikes from Torrot ? Could be but have my doubts.
How much represent the sales of GG worldwide ? 5000 bikes ? Are these numbers that really appealing ? Knowing that a GG rider will not, most likely, buy a Red KTM ?
Whatever he has in line for GG, this is the end of "The GasGas".
P.S. - It just came to mind that my bike is now worth zero euros...
For all that GasGas represented to all of us but most important for all the hard working staff that regretfully, again, face an uncertain future with this company.
I would like to believe that SP has the nicest plans for the brand but simply don't see it that way. They don't need/want any of the technology GG has to offer but does cut some corners on developing a trials bike. What for? MotoGP is their goal now. Electric bikes from Torrot ? Could be but have my doubts.
How much represent the sales of GG worldwide ? 5000 bikes ? Are these numbers that really appealing ? Knowing that a GG rider will not, most likely, buy a Red KTM ?
Whatever he has in line for GG, this is the end of "The GasGas".
P.S. - It just came to mind that my bike is now worth zero euros...
Vindicator
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A good advice is where you read it .
swazi_matt
Active member
I would like to think they are looking at the trials side (i believe tarrot and GG are seperate entities so it would only be a relationship they will purchase of tarrot). I Still don't understand the ktm logic on husky and husaberg, buy them and then close them down. Is it just a way of eliminating opposition one brand at a time?
It would be nice if they were thinking it would be cheaper to build ktm's in spain, but that didn't happen with the other brands ... only time will tell
It would be nice if they were thinking it would be cheaper to build ktm's in spain, but that didn't happen with the other brands ... only time will tell
shawbagga
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Haha but they're just white KTMs. Husky was bought for peanuts purely for the name(as no one in the US knows Husaberg) & to eliminate competition(cheap bikes). Italian Husky/BMW had nothing else to offer KTM.
Why wouldn't Pierer want 5000 sales a year?! Even 2500 makes his bottom line bigger. He's about making money! This way he eliminates competition & gains more sales.
Why wouldn't Pierer want 5000 sales a year?! Even 2500 makes his bottom line bigger. He's about making money! This way he eliminates competition & gains more sales.
SS109
Active member
Yeah, imagine how I feel owning a 2011. However, I will continue to enjoy it regardless of what it's worth to anyone else.
Zman
Platinum Level Site Supporter
It was my understanding that the White and Blue KTMs (called Husqvarna) were supposed to be the premium version of the orange and black KTMs. They did include the linkage suspension on the white and blue where they used the PDS on the orange and black.
sneaky98gt
New member
It seems obvious to me. Think about it, what's the only type of motorbike in the world that KTM doesn't already have a very strong place in the market?
Answer: trials bikes.
Acquiring GG (I know, they didn't technically acquire them, but at 60% ownership, they may as well have) allows them to jump straight to the front of the line with very competitive trials models, with lots of history and expertise. A little tweaking of a few technical details, manufacturing processes, and management practices, plus some of the KTM mothership's marketing budget to promote them more, and they'll be seeing an ROI on this deal in a hurry. 100% business decision.
That's what this is about. Which isn't entirely a bad thing. We will almost certainly see strong, competitive, updated trials bikes for the foreseeable future. While some of us certainly won't care for them being tainted with orange blood, it looks like this was better than the alternative of closing up shop forever.
The big downside I see in this is that the enduro line won't likely survive. Husaberg brought a lot of technology to the table to a young, unknown KTM. Husqvarna brought fantastic name recognition, and a great opportunity for KTM (now well established) to brand and up-sell a "premium" bike. GasGas enduro brings nothing of this sort to the table, and if they're not able to differentiate it substantially (not from a technical standpoint, but from a sales standpoint), then they'll kill it.
The only way I could see it working, is that if Husqvarna is the premium brand, GasGas could be the budget brand that competes with the Japanese bikes' price points (or maybe the other cheaper Euro bikes). That said, they'd have a veeeeery fine line to walk to avoid cannibalizing the sales of their higher priced (and higher margin) orange and white bikes. While I as a consumer would love to see a model lineup like this, I doubt seriously they'd actually do it.
Either way, I wish all at GasGas the best of luck, and certainly hope to see them prosper over the coming years in this new relationship.
Answer: trials bikes.
Acquiring GG (I know, they didn't technically acquire them, but at 60% ownership, they may as well have) allows them to jump straight to the front of the line with very competitive trials models, with lots of history and expertise. A little tweaking of a few technical details, manufacturing processes, and management practices, plus some of the KTM mothership's marketing budget to promote them more, and they'll be seeing an ROI on this deal in a hurry. 100% business decision.
That's what this is about. Which isn't entirely a bad thing. We will almost certainly see strong, competitive, updated trials bikes for the foreseeable future. While some of us certainly won't care for them being tainted with orange blood, it looks like this was better than the alternative of closing up shop forever.
The big downside I see in this is that the enduro line won't likely survive. Husaberg brought a lot of technology to the table to a young, unknown KTM. Husqvarna brought fantastic name recognition, and a great opportunity for KTM (now well established) to brand and up-sell a "premium" bike. GasGas enduro brings nothing of this sort to the table, and if they're not able to differentiate it substantially (not from a technical standpoint, but from a sales standpoint), then they'll kill it.
The only way I could see it working, is that if Husqvarna is the premium brand, GasGas could be the budget brand that competes with the Japanese bikes' price points (or maybe the other cheaper Euro bikes). That said, they'd have a veeeeery fine line to walk to avoid cannibalizing the sales of their higher priced (and higher margin) orange and white bikes. While I as a consumer would love to see a model lineup like this, I doubt seriously they'd actually do it.
Either way, I wish all at GasGas the best of luck, and certainly hope to see them prosper over the coming years in this new relationship.
(F5)
Gold Level Site Supporter
Do you remember the Swedish ones?
You can get parts for the bigger Italian 4 stroke motors and chassis too....
Take a look at SWM. They are building and selling the old Italian huskies today and you can get parts through them....
Jeff
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