Left hand rear brake???
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farmerj
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I very much want to do the LHRB thing; when seated, I have a hard time getting my size 12s to pivot over the rear brake without lifting my foot up off of the footpeg.
But I'm a little dense on how the LHRB is utilized in relation to the clutch - I'm usually pulling in the clutch to keep from stalling when I hit the rear brake, right? (say, powersliding around a corner or using the rear brake on a downhill.)
So - is the idea that I am going to pull in both clutch and LHRB at the same time, or am I just using the LHRB lightly so as not to lock up the rear wheel and stall?
Looking for enlightenment,
Jeff
swazi_matt
Active member
when sitting most people need to lift their foot off the pegs to hit the rear brake.
To be honest i have started to think that rekluse and LHRB are short term fixes that do not improve your skills in the long run. If you spend the same money as a rekluse on fuel and go training, identifying and practicing your weak points you will improve much more - my 10c!
To be honest i have started to think that rekluse and LHRB are short term fixes that do not improve your skills in the long run. If you spend the same money as a rekluse on fuel and go training, identifying and practicing your weak points you will improve much more - my 10c!
Jakobi
Super Moderator
I'm with you Matt. Auto crutches. Nothing against anyone who uses them and they definately have their benefits. I like that the bike then becomes unstallable, but I think thats all that I would want it for. LHB has its benefits too but I'm happy to ride without one. Clutch control is definately something I'm not willing to give up. I need good feel and engagement.
Whats peoples thoughts on the CLAKE?
swazi_matt
Active member
here is a review on the clake and other JHRB by mike sigety for his erzberg trip last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2ezYmkjSo&list=UUbU04a8A8GM-PqaooUmTERA&index=8&feature=plcp
he eventually went with the rekluse version and said it was very useful for extreme cases when you have to hop off your bike on a steep slope and wait for someone to throw you a rope for the rest of the climb.
It would be helpful for those big rock downhills as you can paddle with both feet but i think you will then never learn to ride down as you should.
At erzberg i walked some of the downhills after the last checkpoint (so only about 10 riders rode it) and i battled to walk it - v steep (would hang from one tree trunk to the next), slippy wet clay mud - and what i noticed was that there were no skid marks and no signs of overshooting the corners, those guys maintained constant wheel rotation (think: ABS)
If you ride with a LHRB and are a downhill paddler you are most likely never going to overcome your fear and will always be walking or locking up on downhills - it is something i really want to overcome as i think i go up hills faster and with less energy than comming down the same hill!
PS i used to ride with a rekluse and thought until recently that it was the best thing you could ever put in your bike, i now know the best thing is "motion lotion"!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2ezYmkjSo&list=UUbU04a8A8GM-PqaooUmTERA&index=8&feature=plcp
he eventually went with the rekluse version and said it was very useful for extreme cases when you have to hop off your bike on a steep slope and wait for someone to throw you a rope for the rest of the climb.
It would be helpful for those big rock downhills as you can paddle with both feet but i think you will then never learn to ride down as you should.
At erzberg i walked some of the downhills after the last checkpoint (so only about 10 riders rode it) and i battled to walk it - v steep (would hang from one tree trunk to the next), slippy wet clay mud - and what i noticed was that there were no skid marks and no signs of overshooting the corners, those guys maintained constant wheel rotation (think: ABS)
If you ride with a LHRB and are a downhill paddler you are most likely never going to overcome your fear and will always be walking or locking up on downhills - it is something i really want to overcome as i think i go up hills faster and with less energy than comming down the same hill!
PS i used to ride with a rekluse and thought until recently that it was the best thing you could ever put in your bike, i now know the best thing is "motion lotion"!!
husley
Bronze Level Site Supporter
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I have never seen a Trials bike with a auto clutch (besides a mini bike). I would never dream if putting one on my Trials bike. However the Rekluse has come in handy for my wife when she is on some unforgiving off-camber junk while I'm praying that she doesn't stall it.
Also, her LHRB has come in VERY handy on nasty downhill stuff.
I do not run a Rekluse in either of my bikes
I have never seen a Trials bike with a auto clutch (besides a mini bike). I would never dream if putting one on my Trials bike. However the Rekluse has come in handy for my wife when she is on some unforgiving off-camber junk while I'm praying that she doesn't stall it.
Also, her LHRB has come in VERY handy on nasty downhill stuff.
I do not run a Rekluse in either of my bikes
firffighter
New member
Well, I am going to disagree a bit here.
It depends on several factors. Ability/Experience level is one factor, but for some terrain is huge.
I just rode a 60 mile enduro a couple of weeks ago and 50 miles of it was true singletrack with lots of obstacles (we are talking about 1st-2nd gear only terrain with slop, rocks, roots and nasty hillclimbs and steep decents with all with very tight turns in the trees. I do not have a rekluse, but I can tell you I wish I had one for that ride! I rode with a buddy who had the Rekluse and LHRB and it made life sooo much easier. I am a B rider, but in that nasty terrain I stalled a half dozen times and it zaps your energy. On a day like that, I want all the energy I can get!
Another huge factor is the fact that some of us are just casual riders who want things to be easy and fun. For some, have the auto clutch and a LHRB makes those precious few rides we get more easy and more fun. To me, that is what it is all about
I only get to do a couple events a year and the rest is just fast paced trail riding with my family and friends. As I get older, I want easy and fun to be the mantra of all of my rides
It depends on several factors. Ability/Experience level is one factor, but for some terrain is huge.
I just rode a 60 mile enduro a couple of weeks ago and 50 miles of it was true singletrack with lots of obstacles (we are talking about 1st-2nd gear only terrain with slop, rocks, roots and nasty hillclimbs and steep decents with all with very tight turns in the trees. I do not have a rekluse, but I can tell you I wish I had one for that ride! I rode with a buddy who had the Rekluse and LHRB and it made life sooo much easier. I am a B rider, but in that nasty terrain I stalled a half dozen times and it zaps your energy. On a day like that, I want all the energy I can get!
Another huge factor is the fact that some of us are just casual riders who want things to be easy and fun. For some, have the auto clutch and a LHRB makes those precious few rides we get more easy and more fun. To me, that is what it is all about
I only get to do a couple events a year and the rest is just fast paced trail riding with my family and friends. As I get older, I want easy and fun to be the mantra of all of my rides
gasser
New member
Who cares what someone else has on their bike. If you ride for fun ride whatever brings you the most fun. If you race, ride whatever you are fastest with. After years on the fence I relented and bought a core EXP to help with pain from a 40 year old riding injury to my left wrist. If I had it to do over I would gladly pay twice what it cost for the drop in pain and corresponding increase in fun level. While some of you are thumping your chest about your "clutching ability" I'll be out on the trail having fun.
firffighter
New member
I had a severe dirtbike accident over 20 years ago where I shattered both wrists. My left wrist had surgery with pins and an errector set attached to the outside. My right they casted for 8 weeks.
At 42, I'm beginning to get some painful arthritis when I ride. I'm thinking Flexx bars or Rekluse to ease that and make life easier.
At 42, I'm beginning to get some painful arthritis when I ride. I'm thinking Flexx bars or Rekluse to ease that and make life easier.
Jakobi
Super Moderator
Doesn't sound like he really understood how the Clake is designed to work or tested it in other than a spin down the driveway. You don't have to click it in for clutch. I'm also read they are fully adjustable in where the clutch and brake overlap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAb0iRzxSHo
tm_enduro
New member
I spent yesterday on a borrowed 2011 GG 300 with the EXP and LHRB (and a Hyde full coverage skid plate / pipeguard). This combo was nothing short of amazing on the steep rocky sidehill switchback goat trails I rode. The EXP would find traction and climb up anything, the the freedom that the LHRB provided was liberating. I found the faster stuff to be scary and fought the transition from freewheel to engagement and back troubling, but I can adjust to that. This setup made me want to get thumb shifters and get the shift level up out of harms way. This is a very cool setup. BTW, is there a better master cyllinder than using the clutch, I felt too much effort was required to lock the rear wheel and my left hand got tired after a while.
andoman
New member
I have mine set up so it won't freewheel. Always have a tiny bit of creep at idle.
Careful bleeding will help the braking force available. You may try a "grabby" compound for the rear pads. They may be too touchy for the pedal, but may work better for the less force available at the hand lever.
I found that I use the pedal for most of my braking. I only use the hand lever when I'm in those tricky, long, gnarly downhill situations.
Here is the new Rekluse LHRB........
http://www.cyclenews.com/showcase/view/product-showcase-rekluse-left-hand-rear-brake-kit
http://www.cyclenews.com/showcase/view/product-showcase-rekluse-left-hand-rear-brake-kit
I just got an 07 EC 300 that has a Rekluse, and want to add a LHRB like I have on both my KTM 300s. Having just obtained this bike the evening before I had to work a 48 hour shift, I haven't had a chance to start dissecting it to find out what I need to do the rear master cylinder to make it happen. I did call Rekluse (as that's the system on my KTMs) and they make no mc insert that accommodates the brake line up to the brake lever, as I would like to keep the foot pedal. I think the rear MC is a Nissin type - Have you guys with LHRBs changed the rear MC to the KTM (Brembo?) type or somehow used the stock MC that came with the GG.....
Thanks
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HydroDog
Gold Level Site Supporter
It took me awhile to find my clutch box with the info since I bought my LHRB kit from Rekluse back in 08'. Hopefully Rekluse still uses the same part numbers.
It was kit# RMS513 that fit 05-07' GG 4T and 2T.for dual-actuated rear brake.
The insert sleave is part# 180-012 that fits a Yamaha MC. The O-ring is Part# 418902 or use a #113 standard O-ring to seal the insert sleave. The brake line is part#419-003A if you are going to use the AJP hand lever MC.
Good luck on the conversion.
Thanks Hydro - The numbers you gave were the key for the guys at Rekluse to find what I needed, and they're on the way..
firffighter
New member
So, why couldn't you run the LHRB without a auto-clutch?
You certainly can, but you run the risk of stalling the bike unless you are able to simultaneously pull in the clutch lever...But for simply scrubbing off some speed, sure.