Nutrition for 100 mile race
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GMP
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That would never happen in my house for several reasons, mainly my wife's intolerance to excessive fat after pancreatic cancer and life saving radical surgery. Plus, I just do not like to eat fatty stuff anymore. I mean I like an occasional burger, steak, etc, but to go out of the way for it no way. Actually after cutting down I find stuff like greasy bacon particularly unappealing. With the weather getting better, I'll be grilling a lot of Salmon.
Hey, glad its working for you but its only one way and I'm sure something else unconventional will come along like they have in the past.
Hey, glad its working for you but its only one way and I'm sure something else unconventional will come along like they have in the past.
I find that folks are doing well with individual customization.
Of the six new paleoz in our club (and a few outside), I don't know of any of them walking lock-step with PaleoHacks or Mark's Dailey Apple. They appear to be tailoring their diets to their own abilities while dropping processed foods and irritating grains specifically and other things as they find suitable replacements.
There is really nothing "unconventional" about the diet. Unless one considers the poor diets Americans have acquired over the last several decades to be "normal" and the concurrent rise in obesity and general morbidity to be part and parcel of that and of the order.
They have been taught to fear fat, when they are ingesting far too many things that have, and will continue to cause them harm as their physicians prescribe medicine to cure the ills brought on by the foods these same doctors insist that they eat.
Of the six new paleoz in our club (and a few outside), I don't know of any of them walking lock-step with PaleoHacks or Mark's Dailey Apple. They appear to be tailoring their diets to their own abilities while dropping processed foods and irritating grains specifically and other things as they find suitable replacements.
There is really nothing "unconventional" about the diet. Unless one considers the poor diets Americans have acquired over the last several decades to be "normal" and the concurrent rise in obesity and general morbidity to be part and parcel of that and of the order.
They have been taught to fear fat, when they are ingesting far too many things that have, and will continue to cause them harm as their physicians prescribe medicine to cure the ills brought on by the foods these same doctors insist that they eat.
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arminhammer
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Meat fat and veggies have been the the diet of humans for up to 2 million years.
Agriculture has only be part of the human diet for less than 10,000 years.
The grains and other sugars are what's killing us.
Oh please don't give me the but we live longer now argument. Nursing homes are full of drugged up people from 60 year old and up, I would not call that living.
If you would like to watch a great movie, look for
In Search of the Perfect Human Diet.
If Paleo is a fad diet than it is the oldest one out there. lol
Agriculture has only be part of the human diet for less than 10,000 years.
The grains and other sugars are what's killing us.
Oh please don't give me the but we live longer now argument. Nursing homes are full of drugged up people from 60 year old and up, I would not call that living.
If you would like to watch a great movie, look for
In Search of the Perfect Human Diet.
If Paleo is a fad diet than it is the oldest one out there. lol
roostafish
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Ya gotta taylor it to your own abilities. Paleo doesn't have to be cookie-cutter (because cookies are baaaad).
I would advise against a lot of fruit. About half of the sugar from the typical fruit is from fructose which has to be processed in the liver. Fructose is also more likely to be comverted into fat.
You're probably better off getting them from starchy root veggies and all the other veggies you could eat each day.
I would advise against a lot of fruit. About half of the sugar from the typical fruit is from fructose which has to be processed in the liver. Fructose is also more likely to be comverted into fat.
You're probably better off getting them from starchy root veggies and all the other veggies you could eat each day.
roostafish
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I never thought of any fruit as being bad. Though I have found that they are a morning food. I used to go by a rule of no carbs after 2:00 p.m. Though more recently I have had a hard time being good with food. I guess I need some new enthusiasm for eating properly.
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I usually have the fructose equivalent of, say, one nanner and one apple -- and sometimes an actual nanner and apple. Both are probably on the mid to high end of fruits for fructose content.
I think the greater concern is the ubiquity of HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) and that sexy agave stuff that is present in so many manufactured foof products.
Heck, get rid of those sources and a slice of water melon becomes trivial.
There is one area where fruit (and its one-two punch of fructose-glucose) could be beneficial ---> glycogen replenishment •after exercise•. "Could be."
In the case of glycogen depletion, fructose tends *not* to be converted to tri-glycerides. It tends toward glycogen replacement. And one study suggests this process *might* be faster with glucose and fructose together. I dunno. But it seems that fruit before or after moderately vigorous activity ain't a bad thing.
I think the greater concern is the ubiquity of HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) and that sexy agave stuff that is present in so many manufactured foof products.
Heck, get rid of those sources and a slice of water melon becomes trivial.
There is one area where fruit (and its one-two punch of fructose-glucose) could be beneficial ---> glycogen replenishment •after exercise•. "Could be."
In the case of glycogen depletion, fructose tends *not* to be converted to tri-glycerides. It tends toward glycogen replacement. And one study suggests this process *might* be faster with glucose and fructose together. I dunno. But it seems that fruit before or after moderately vigorous activity ain't a bad thing.
GMP
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Mike, I remember that 2:00PM rule you mentioned awhile ago, TOUGH! I've done a good job of no carbs after dinner and that alone is a big help.
I'd like to know how many serious/professional endurance athletes have had success with this Paleo diet. Cyclists? Any pro motocrossers, off-road guys? Just wondering.
I'd like to know how many serious/professional endurance athletes have had success with this Paleo diet. Cyclists? Any pro motocrossers, off-road guys? Just wondering.
arminhammer
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Here is some light reading for you guys.
Lots of MMA guys doing Paleo.
Paleo is just a word "Just Eat Real Food"
Learn to fuel your body on fat not carbs it is more natural.
Read this blog by Mark Sission it give you a small break down of a proper diet.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2NXcjhfG9
BTW Mark Sission is 55 years old.
Paleo Athletes Here are just a few.http://primalpacs.com/blog/2013/02/professional-athletes-go-paleo/
Lots of MMA guys doing Paleo.
Paleo is just a word "Just Eat Real Food"
Learn to fuel your body on fat not carbs it is more natural.
Read this blog by Mark Sission it give you a small break down of a proper diet.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2NXcjhfG9
BTW Mark Sission is 55 years old.
Paleo Athletes Here are just a few.http://primalpacs.com/blog/2013/02/professional-athletes-go-paleo/
Fred1956
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I first heard of Paleo on this forum and did my research. I'm 56 and in fairly good shape (6ft & 200#) but a 2 hour hare scramble will take it out of me, way worse if I have to pick up the bike much. I started Paleo 10 days ago along with an 'ease into it' exercise plan. No doctor, just my common sense & research. I have started a 'hard' walk (my knees don't like a jog) program in which I walk through the woods along my m/c trails, basically cross country, my goal is to get to 4 MPH average for a 2 hour period. I climb hills, go down hills, walk logs & follow the creek beds. I have been fairly strict but not knife edged on my diet. No grains, refined sugars or dairy, plenty of fruits & veggies, & using coconut or olive oil only. Bacon, sausage, eggs, chicken, fish, & beef & lots of it. I feel like I'm eating a lot more....just better stuff.
My first walk attempt was for 36 minutes, I managed a 3 mph avg but boy was I gassed, on Monday (8 days) I managed a 3.3 mph BUT went for an hour and 2 minutes so I have improved. I feel better in the mornings and after my walk I'm not completely gassed out. As of this morning I am down 8 lbs also. At this point I'm a believer, I truly feel better- before & after
My first walk attempt was for 36 minutes, I managed a 3 mph avg but boy was I gassed, on Monday (8 days) I managed a 3.3 mph BUT went for an hour and 2 minutes so I have improved. I feel better in the mornings and after my walk I'm not completely gassed out. As of this morning I am down 8 lbs also. At this point I'm a believer, I truly feel better- before & after
hawaiidirtrider
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All this talk of Paleo diet is making me interested to find more info... As far as the race goes.. I've been using Accelerade ..a protein powered sports dringk with good results. It's supposed to work well before , during and after the race.. It has carbs and protein. blah blah blah. I just know it helps. I've had to adjust to figuring how I will last. I'm diabetic and I've been hurtin bad on a couple of occasions until adjusting with stuff like this.. My setup is to be drinking this stuff before racing and my race camelback will have half orange juice, ice and water and Accelerade .. then after the race I just keep drinking this. I usually set up 2 camelback bladders ..It's heavier but for me it's better. I've come back with only one sucked completely out and dry mouthing it in.. For you the orange juice probably isn't as important but it worked well for me and still my sugars were good when I came in after a race.. Typical hare n hounds are in the 4 or 5 hour range depending. I also keep some granola bars or whatever tin my pack too..the gels might be good to do . I didn't like the ones I've tasted but I should go back and try different ones just to see. My liquid intake with the accelerade and juice, water ice is the best so far. I feel good coming out. The last long race was good energy wise. It's especially important being diabetic..
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GMP
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I've done some quick reading including athlete related paleo and what they describe is not unlike what I eat and try to eat now. Good, lean protein, and veggies. Always a salad with oil and Balsalmic. Sometimes a steak. Cut way down on carbs, and no processed snack foods. Good fat, but low saturated fat. What threw me Rick was your bacon snacks.
I just can't eat stuff that drips grease anymore, turns my stomach. I think I'd puke on the trail. Like Mike I was not that way before.
Fred,
Being in real good shape is a major advantage in the Super Senior(50 - 60 yrs here) harescrambles class. If your last lap is the fastest or at least not slower than the rest you have a lot of guys beat before the flag drops. What works for me is TRX, an intense full body core centered workout. It can be approached in many ways but I suggest at first you find an instructor and take a few classes. It will kick your a$$ especially at first. I was in a rut with weights, machines, etc. until I found this. I had a good instructor and man did I respond, lost about 15 lbs and got a lot stronger, independent of diet. Now all I do is TRX and run some, and will bicycle more now with spring coming.
I just can't eat stuff that drips grease anymore, turns my stomach. I think I'd puke on the trail. Like Mike I was not that way before.Fred,
Being in real good shape is a major advantage in the Super Senior(50 - 60 yrs here) harescrambles class. If your last lap is the fastest or at least not slower than the rest you have a lot of guys beat before the flag drops. What works for me is TRX, an intense full body core centered workout. It can be approached in many ways but I suggest at first you find an instructor and take a few classes. It will kick your a$$ especially at first. I was in a rut with weights, machines, etc. until I found this. I had a good instructor and man did I respond, lost about 15 lbs and got a lot stronger, independent of diet. Now all I do is TRX and run some, and will bicycle more now with spring coming.
arminhammer
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GMP did you read some of Loren Cordain early stuff on saturated fat? He has changed some of the things he said early on.
Saturated fat is not harmful.
http://www.paleoplan.com/2012/05-26/are-coconut-oil-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-really-ok/
If people are going to try paleo please make sure you are getting enough fat. Low fat consumption is the number one reason people fail at this diet. They try to remove all carbs and reduce fat intake also because they think fat will give them CVD. They will complain of low energy levels.
You can only fuel the human body on two things fat or carbs. You are way safer doing with fat. Saturated fats are also very important for proper brain function.
If you are worried about cholesterol have your Doc do a particle size test.
Saturated fat is not harmful.
http://www.paleoplan.com/2012/05-26/are-coconut-oil-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-really-ok/
If people are going to try paleo please make sure you are getting enough fat. Low fat consumption is the number one reason people fail at this diet. They try to remove all carbs and reduce fat intake also because they think fat will give them CVD. They will complain of low energy levels.
You can only fuel the human body on two things fat or carbs. You are way safer doing with fat. Saturated fats are also very important for proper brain function.
If you are worried about cholesterol have your Doc do a particle size test.
The veggie oil industry spent billions of dollars in the 1970s & 80s indoctrinating people to favor "Polyunsaturated fat" as being good. Anybody remember William Shatner shilling for "Promise Margarine?"
Going on the nutristrategy.com web site (pro Shatner, it appears), all of the oils that paleos are taught to avoid (corn, soy, canola...) are poly (not just mono) unsaturated.
While some newbies on paleo might eat less fat than they should, I tend to forget to eat enough carbs. That's why I have yams at the ready. I feel the the combo of fat (mostly olive oil on salad for me, it seems) and a bit of starch buffers me pretty well from a blood sugar standpoint.
That's why the paleo endurance athlete writers are correct. Fat is wonderful fuel for a couple hours. After that, it's either Yam Power or some sort of in-CamelBak dilute sugar source. Maybe I'll make my own out of dextrose.
Going on the nutristrategy.com web site (pro Shatner, it appears), all of the oils that paleos are taught to avoid (corn, soy, canola...) are poly (not just mono) unsaturated.
While some newbies on paleo might eat less fat than they should, I tend to forget to eat enough carbs. That's why I have yams at the ready. I feel the the combo of fat (mostly olive oil on salad for me, it seems) and a bit of starch buffers me pretty well from a blood sugar standpoint.
That's why the paleo endurance athlete writers are correct. Fat is wonderful fuel for a couple hours. After that, it's either Yam Power or some sort of in-CamelBak dilute sugar source. Maybe I'll make my own out of dextrose.
GMP
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My brother is having that test done. Both he and I have high total and LDL, and very high HDL(good), as did my dad. No CVD family history. We suspect things are not as bad as current numbers indicate, and have refused the liver trashing statin drugs.
Rick,
Problem with too much sugar in the water pack is it slows absorbution.
Rick,
Problem with too much sugar in the water pack is it slows absorbution.
