TrailRider magazine article

There are some things I have liked in this thread, and there are some that I thought were naive/childish. That being said I took enjoyment in refreshing the screen because there was real activity etc. now back to crickets...so sad.

I feel terrible for Clay, GG has been late to the party too many times and it makes it so hard to get dealers to commit with no bikes/old bikes etc. etc. I do think they are a good bike, best...within a stones throw...best for what I use it for anyway.

It is stuff like this that will usually cause us to end up losing good distributors over, then the company usually gets their head out of their A$$ and we are stuck with some jackwagon not named Clay. That is my only concern at this point.
 
Coop,
Thx for the back up. I sent all of my bikes in crates that have never been opened. They tested the same bike you can buy. I guarantee you that you will not buy the exact same orange bike that the testers get and I have had mag guys confirm this to me. I think this is wrong.
Clay

I agree. I've read tests in the past where they give a list of mods for one bike, said the other bike is stock, then they rave how great the modded bike is. Well no kidding...not a fair case test at all.
 
I may have a bit harsh in my original post however nothing more would please me and all here for GasGas to thrive, As far as the dirtrider article it stopped me dead in my tracks ( and other small factors)as i was ready to pull the trigger on a Gasser 300. Ill wait and see what the 14s look like,

If you're serious about owning a Gas Gas, stop reading magazines and get a test ride. Have a look through some of Clays posts and see how he's offered to meet people to demo the bikes and maybe you'll see he's not just a chump sitting around and why he's made the decisions he has.

I'm sure someone near by would be more than happy to let you take their bike for a quick spin.

I bought my first gasser site unseen from an Aussie magazine review. They said it was a hard core race bike with an engine too angry for trail work. Pfft. What they meant was that it had harsh suspension and was a well jetted 300cc 2T. Bike mags are one mans opinion, and when that opinion is funded the views get skewed. Ride your own path!
 
I agree that test rides are the best way to sell bikes. While my forum name makes it obvious what I ride, I would likely have chosen the Sherco 2t were it available when I was ready to buy. The 4t is very nice, smooth, excellent suspension, low cg, and light, sometimes on a particularly low traction ride I still wonder if I made the right choice. I love my bike and dealer, but, as I said, given the apples to apples choice, would most likely be on a Sherco. Why? Simply because of the little time I have spent on the phone and internet with Clay.

I am happy to let most anyone who wants ride my bike, and draw their own conclusion. Hope there are lots of GG and Sherco owners that would do the same. The KTM family sells boatloads of bikes for many reasons, the least we can do is offer different [and better] choices to those who are interested. Personally, I can't wait to ride Roscoe's new 300.

The Beta 300 was boty because it was what they considered the best NEW bike of the year, not the best bike of the year. I share many's dislike for the large mags but cannot believe KTM and Husaberg came in first and second because of advertising dollars. Unfairly prepped and modified, as to be better suited for the terrain that day, I will believe that.

So in closing my ramble, I would ask that you support Clay any way you can. We need him in the same way we need our local dealers, if not more so. The motorcycling world would be a worse place without either of them should they decide their money better invested elsewhere...
 
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Anyone that believes that advertising dollars don't win favorable and sometimes ridiculous reviews should read, "Monkey Butt" by Rick Seiman

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This has been an interesting thread for an outsider like me; insightful in a number of ways.

First, I didn't even know there was such a publication as Trail Rider - that's pretty cool :cool:

Second, I enjoyed the write-up on both the Sherco and GG models - I'm assuming that's what the point was from the original post?

If it's worth anything at all, the primary thing that sold me on checking out the GG to begin with was good 'ole word of mouth - though not in the traditional sense - but the new age (lol) version of having someone (Russ - firffighter) recommend it in a different forum on a completely unrelated thread (sort of). After some back and forth Q&A with Russ and searching on my own (web), I decided to make the drive and then took a test ride - which sold me.

Now that I have 17 hours of seat time, I'm completely sold on the bike and the brand.

I'm sure reviews in magazines can either positively or negatively impact sales; but I'd venture that feedback in forums such as this and other venues is of much greater value when it comes to the decision process. I'm not part of the whole social media process, but I definitely see it's value when people start the decision process/sales cycle.

Anyway, I'm glad there's someone fighting for the brand in the US - would be a loss to the sport if GG exited this market.
 
I read a post somewhere that said something to the effect of, "Gas Gas riders must feel like teenagers that hate their parents (GG Spain) for holding them back from becoming the excellent bikes they could become!" chew on that for a minute. I love my bike, I bought it because it's different, it was a bargain and I could tell by looking at it that it was a quality piece. Since then my dealer closed his doors overnight and I found out my pride and joy is a pig. I also found out that Clay Stuckey will bend over backwards to help a customer and that to me is worth putting up with the other crap.
 
I've been riding dirt bikes since 1970. I have read m/c magazines since then also. I used to read every motorcycle magazine that was published. Cycle, Cycle Guide, Modern Cycle, Popular Cycling, Dirt Bike, MXA, Dirt Cycle, Dirt Rider. I read from cover to cover. I lived, ate, drank, slept motorcycles. I realized real fast that what they, the mags, said really depended on how much advertising was in that mag.

I literally didn't pay attention to what they said and by that, I mean, I bought some real exotic bikes for back in the day and where I lived. I lived in a small town in central Kentucky....90 miles from Louisville, 80 miles to Bowling Green.
We had one motorcycle store in town and it was a Honda/Bridgestone shop in the side of a hardware store. I bought my first new "dirt bike", a Yamaha DT1C from a dealer in Jeffersonville, Indiana. This was the first bike I raced MX on...it beat me to death. I needed a real MX bike. My buddies and I would make the trek up to L-ville/Jeffersonville just about every week. On one trip the dealer in Jville (Greenrose Sports Cycles) had a bunch of Euro MX bikes.
The one that caught my eye was a 71 Rickman Metisse Zunndapp. I decided I was going to trade my Yamaha in for the Rickman....got up there with the Yamaha and they had sold the Rickman. They also had Pentons and Huskys. I opted for the Penton which was, looking back, the smarter choice. But there was no one in my city or even surrounding counties that had a Penton. I won my first MX on that bike. Lots of my friends then bought Pentons.

About 8months later, I stopped by a different bike shop in Louisville and this guy had a DKW with the leading link forks...traded the Penton for that. I had seen pictures of them in races but never had I read a test on one. I was probably the only person in the frickin' state of KY to own one. I raced it for a season until I got a sponsorship on Yamahas and went "mainstream" for awhile. I got tired of mainstream and went to a 73 Bultaco 125 Pursang. Again
I was the only Bultaco rider at most of the races I went to.

So I guess what I am getting around to, is I have always liked exotic bikes and never really paid attention what the mainstream thinks. I like to be different, not one of the masses. When I bought my first GG, there wasn't really even a "dealer". The guy I bought my GG from had been a dealer but had stopped when his son stopped racing. I had heard about GGs, mostly the trials bike but I had never read a test on one of the enduro bikes. I have to say, while I have had some pretty damn good bikes, the GGs I have had have been the finest. KTM would be the last bike I would consider buying and that would only be if there were no GGs, Shercos, Betas, TMs.

I hate to hear that the test that DR did hurt Clay's sales. I've been in this sport for over 40 years and have been around the block a time or two but there are a bunch of young impressionable guys that need to be "accepted".

....and one more little story about California riders.

A few years ago, just before Daytona Bike week, a riding buddy of mine who had ridden in Baja with some guys in Calif. got a call from the same bunch of guys. They would be coming thru Alabama on their way to bike week. They wanted to trail ride here. My buddy asked them how far they wanted to go.
They said "we need at least 85 miles to get a decent workout...." Well my buddy tells me about this and we're thinking "Hell, we don't have 85 miles of trails!" The most we had was maybe 30 miles. Anyhow, they came and we took them to our primo riding area and we hit the trail. We had gone maybe 8 miles and we stopped to wait on a few of them. When they caught up, they were huffin' and puffin' and one of them said, "God, I've never seen so many trees and the trail is so narrow!" They never lasted to see the full 30 miles.

Okay....I'm done:D
 
Opinions are like a-holes and definitely ever a-hole has one so I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in. Well I guess I had better not. I won't say what I'm thinking because I don't believe in saying such things unless I can do it face to face. I'm just too peed off that anyone would come on this forum and launch such a vicious direct assault against anyone let alone the best friend the GasGas community has. If anyone doesn't like what I'm saying don't comment here on this forum - call me up or better yet come to my home. Clay puts his phone number out there so anyone can voice any concerns or get help. Clay is not the person who needs to grow a pair.

931-498-5113 Ken Wyatt 2925 Eagle Landing Dr. Cookeville, TN 38506
 
I've had a 2014 300 in my garage for close to 3 weeks so at least one has been sold but no riding due to frigid weather and looming surgery to fix an old workplace injury. Additionally, I highly doubt it will ever be raced so don't look for results from me to be posted anywhere. On another note, I respect and "fear" for anyone trying to make a go of it these days. If you can afford it at all, find a way to buy something from your local dealer to help them stay afloat (you don't have to buy everything off the internet). If you don't like them or they're too big: Find another and go buy something...Anything. Also send a few bucks to TrailRider and tell them you read about them here!

Eric
 
Thanks Clay for being an honest & straight up guy! Hopefully you can move that 14' to my buddy Bob C. from MN that has spoken to you. He's been a GG rider since the late 90's.
 
I will have to subscribe to trailrider. I used to carry dirt rider for the customers to buy but got sick of reading their crap. I like the Trials & Enduro News paper. It comes once a month and has some good little write ups in it.
 
Just picked up a European mag called extreme enduro. I get a copy every once in a while to check out what's going on in the world scene. They cover all makes of bikes and cover the extreme enduros, WEC, and other cool off road events. Most of what's covered would be what we consider east coast woods type riding.

They did an article on 250 vs 300 bikes. They love the Gasgas 300! They consider it the best of all of the 300's by far and said it is perfect for the tough nasty terrain. Included in the article was the Beta, Husaberg/KTM as well as some 4 stroke 250's and 300's. Funny how they love the Gasgas heads and shoulders over the others and they only ride tight woods.

BTW, they love the new Sherco 300 2-stroke.

Just think it's interesting that Gasgas is top selling bike in France where it seems like all great off road riders come from. They do amazing in ISDE and WEC.
 
Just picked up a European mag called extreme enduro. I get a copy every once in a while to check out what's going on in the world scene. They cover all makes of bikes and cover the extreme enduros, WEC, and other cool off road events. Most of what's covered would be what we consider east coast woods type riding.

They did an article on 250 vs 300 bikes. They love the Gasgas 300! They consider it the best of all of the 300's by far and said it is perfect for the tough nasty terrain. Included in the article was the Beta, Husaberg/KTM as well as some 4 stroke 250's and 300's. Funny how they love the Gasgas heads and shoulders over the others and they only ride tight woods.

BTW, they love the new Sherco 300 2-stroke.

Just think it's interesting that Gasgas is top selling bike in France where it seems like all great off road riders come from. They do amazing in ISDE and WEC.
When Steve Beane and I were in Vegas for the Endurocross. I was talking to Eric Peronnard out on the course and he commented that I had the perfect bike for this type of riding and wonder why more guys haven't caught on and ride GasGas. And he's French....go wonder.
 
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dirt rider sucks.
always has.
i read one ktm review where instead of saying the bike cant turn worth a crap they said it had an unusually large turning radius. too funny. too sad.
its nearly impossible to know what the different bikes really are like even with unbiased reviews and dyno runs.
the only way to really get a feel is thru a demo ride or bum a ride.
i love loaning my gg
makes me love my gg even more when i get back on it. the bad thing is they realize its the bike more than me that goes thru the snotty stuff.
i love my '06 ec300 but drool over the '13s.
now if i make my own magazine and do a shootout.....where to those tested gg go to? hey everyone has a price. lol.
i do feel bad for the gg dealers and network though.
its tuff enough in todays economy with out some bs thrown into the mix.
 
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Mike, let me know what you want pictures of and I will take them. The GG Spain site has a lot of pictures but I would be happy to take some if you want to see something specific. Unfortunately, like you, I'm in a cold region of the country and part of my meniscus is waiting for excision so I'm taking it easy until the ice is gone from the front of the house (I just broke up last of the ice a couple of hours ago). Feel free to PM me with specific pictures desired and I will start another thread. For now, I will go online and look into a TrailRider subscription!

Eric
 
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