What to expect for 2016?

gasgasxc said:
Wasnt my intention.

Does one work with or for the other?
Do you have a clear picture and are confident in the picture that had been painted for us?
Does it resemble the prior picture.
Just saying.
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Mark Berg is the Operations Manager of GasGas Motos U.S. and Rod Overstreet is the Director of Sales for GasGas Motos U.S. Yes - they work together. Mark was very kind to post up here yesterday..

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showpost.php?p=152831&postcount=18

I closed that thread because I didn't want his important message ("from the horse's mouth") to get buried and lost... I stated my reason for closing that thread and recommended starting another thread to continue the discussion... Specifically, I stated :

"Closing this thread so that it ends with Mark's message on what's going on and it doesn't head off in a different direction.. Feel free to start another thread to discuss how you think company should move on, etc...

And I am not censoring *anything*! This is a moderated forum and sometimes you split things/end things so that the conversations have better direction and clarity. I don't want mark's message to get lost in the fog..."


jeff
 
Jeff,

Thanks for clarifying that. I was under the impression Rod held the position of president.

I feel for both those guys, must sure feel like a gut punch right now.

One of the big draws, for me, to these smaller brands is that the people in charge don't mind shooting straight and talking with us commoners about these issues.
 
VxZeroKnots said:
Jeff,

Thanks for clarifying that. I was under the impression Rod held the position of president.

I feel for both those guys, must sure feel like a gut punch right now.

One of the big draws, for me, to these smaller brands is that the people in charge don't mind shooting straight and talking with us commoners about these issues.
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correction - Looking at latest press release I see - Mark has title of "operations manager". Corrected my post above.

jeff
 
I worked for a paper mill that after being in business for over 100 years filed for bankruptcy. During that time there were many layoffs, wage cuts and reduction of force. The major debtor (Bank of America), took over control of the mill and it's finances. During that time, the bank was trying everything in its power to bring profitability back to settle any and all debts and hoping for investors. The bank wanted it's money! Unfortunately, after 16 more months of production, and no investors, the bank had to shut down the mill. Even then, they waited 6 more months hoping for investors. It was then that the mill went into liquidation.

So based off my experience, debtors want to get paid in full. They won't liquify yet. They'll wait to the last minute for any investors to come along. So, in my opinion, there is some hope. They may shut down for a while, but sounds like now they need investors. The bottom line for us riders is that this instills no consumer confidence. I was on the verge of purchasing a new GasGas, but not now. I'm not dropping 8k based off hope. Sucks!
 
So we the consumers will find out in a short time how this is going to end . There is no reason to let this issue drag me down n I have 5 gassers ! What is going to happen will , so be it . I look forward to riding Sunday and will be on one of my Gassers . As a business man I feel sorry for all the people who are counting on GasGas to pay there bills .
 
gasgasxc said:
Has been painted is what I meant.

This is the time to be 100% upfront about what is happening.
Optimism is a wonderful notion as long as its realistic, and truthful.
People will hold off jumping to another brand if they see a comeback as an option.
But if you bullshit those people at all, one bit especially the way this has unfolded.
Once they are are gone, its gone baby gone.
And alot of Gas Gas riders are fanatical.
Many will feel the same way about the next brand they choose.
Getting them back will not be easy.

Thats what Im saying.
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I agree. GG riders are fanatical. Gassers have been sold by word of mouth and certainly not by savy marketing and general decisions by GG, IMHO. We have been told not to worry and now things have taken a turn for the worse. The UK statement was the most insightful source of information. Let's not forget, the riders on this forum did not create this business disaster. As well we are consumers that are searching for accurate information to make a buying/continued ownership decision.

If you don't speak Spanish or Catalon, it is hard to obtain reliable complete information and the exchange of information on this forum among members meets that need. Most riders buy their new bikes from September to December and a lot of people are trying to make a plan whether they intend to buy new GG bike(will new bikes be available?) or a used GG bike(will parts be available?)

IMHO, shutting the threads just makes people become frustrated. GG riders are a minority so it's probably not a good idea to lose the ones that are left. The GG riders already jump through a lot of hoops to ride a GG. You are not going contain the GG insolvency news by restricting information,IMHO.
 
My concern is what does this mean for Rod and Mark? Do you guys still have a job as of now? Great people and I hate to see them lose their jobs over this.

I love my bike and I will continue to ride it and buy parts for it until it hits re 200-300 hour mark and then I will buy a new one. If GasGas exists at that point and are still build good bikes that's what I will be on. If not....well I guess I will be on something else (as long as it's not from Austria).


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Moto7man said:
IMHO, shutting the threads just makes people become frustrated. GG riders are a minority so it's probably not a good idea to lose the ones that are left. The GG riders already jump through a lot of hoops to ride a GG. You are not going contain the GG insolvency news by restricting information,IMHO.
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Re-read my previous post... I shut one thread so that it ended with the important info and that info didn't get buried. - I did so when someone else tagged onto it and turned the conversation in a different direction. I just tied a bow on it so that the particular thread had a clear conclusion. And I asked that the discussion continue in a different thread.

This is a moderated forum - the conversations can be guided - It is *not* "free speech as guaranteed by the constitution". The threads can be split when they go in a different direction, etc. They can be closed if something is being beaten to death or they can be closed if it will add clarity to the ongoing discussion. This is not a "free fire zone" where anything goes and a moderator can't step in and keep things 'clean'.

I am not restricting information.

That being said - the moderators will step in and close, edit or delete threads if they cross over a line into anything that is disrepectful of others or violates the user agreement in any way, shape or form.

jeff
 
Well I just hope gasgas pulls through because I always need parts with how often I crash!


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It's pretty obvious that there is tension and fear from loyal Gasgas owners and some are starting to really question how this will all turn out, with good reason really.

It's been a confusing year when it comes down to it. Adding quality dealers....awesome, great bike reviews.....excellent, singing Geoff Aaron.....great move.....strong WEC team.....nice move, good results in hard enduro.....great. But, all this positive, while at the same time huge negatives from the corporate side of things. It's hard to have complete confidence while when there are REAL issues going on with the future of the corporation.

I understand the frustration and feeling like we have a right to transparency as loyal customers, but reality is this is business. It certainly isn't the first time this has happened in the off road world and certainly won't be the last. Bottom line is this is business and we, the consumer, aren't going to be in the loop with the intricate workings of a corporation trying to wade through corporate issues. It's frustrating, but we're all going to have to just wait and see.

I'm not selling my Gasgas anytime soon and I'd probably pick up another one if the right opportunity was presented, but only after things settle and the future is more clear. Time will tell!

I sure hope though that things resolve in a positive direction. Such a great bike!
 
Also remember, this site is not for profit run 100% completely by Jeff (Webmaster) for us.

As a moderator here I am proud to say that the title is hardly even fitting. I don't think I have done much more than identify a spam post here or there that sneaks through the filters. I will however support Jeff when it comes to the moderation of threads/posts/posters - it's not something we particularly enjoy doing, and definitely not something that is done for kicks. There is generally some negotiation behind the scene's and the forum moderators come to a conclusion between ourselves on what is best for the forum as a whole (not for the moderators, not for the users, but for all of us - including the brand).

Even as a mod, I'm guilty of sharing my opinion when it's not necessarily in line with what is best for the brand - I like to call a spade a spade! But also, I try my best to keep those posts balanced with some positives as it achieves nothing to simply continue beating a dead horse in the hope that something changes. I ask that those who are as passionate about these bikes as I am also do the same thing and take a little time to consider where a thread may go, or try to specify the direction you want. The less work the moderators have to do the better!

The post above by firffighter sums it up perfectly, and the attached post by Jeff a few pages back gives about as much insight into the business negotiations as we end users are going to find out. I appreciate we get told what we do.
 
Here is the official letter from GasGas(in Spanish).



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Look on gasgas motos sa Facebook page. Hitting translate gives us spanglish....

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Salt (Girona) 18 Maggio 2015
To All Importers And Dealers Gas Gas

Today, we have deposited in court documents for the insolvency of gas gas motos.

Unfortunately, all our efforts to find a solution which will allow the continuation of society until now have not been sufficient.

Are we sure that with this new scenario, the company will be able to attract new investors and continue to produce excellent products, continuing to drive the market of the trial, producing large motorcycle from enduro and offering a service that is always best to all our passionate about everything The world. The company has been surrounded by people who are passionate about, what they have done their best for the growth of society, in order to put the bikes in trade best.

In the next few days will announce the name of the trust that the court will appoint in order to ensure that society continues to provide assistance post-Sale (mainly spare parts), Until when will rise a permanent solution.

At that point, I would like to thank everyone and each and every one of you, all those who expect to find a lasting solution.

The New Potential Investors will find in the company large competent people and passionate, that they are working constantly to improve our motorcycle and many partners (like you) that strive to promote and market to better our bikes all over the world.

We do not have exhausted our efforts to find sufficient funds for the company, but the chances of finding a solution in the next few days is not very high.

It is very sad for us to take such a decision, given the 30 years of our great brand, but it is my duty, as president of the society, think about the good of the company and decide accordingly.

Yariv Gilat
President
 
Well we will all get to see this play out that's for sure and its sad for the employees and us the consumers that management at some point in time made some bad decisions that put the company in this position.
I worked for a company that management made some poor decisions and they also filed for bankruptcy and they keep telling us no problem well until they also could not find extra money (investors) to settle debt so when it went to court with no investors it was put on the auction block and there are groups of big money people who wait for this stuff to happen so they can buy up and flip what they can to make money rather than investing in a failed company and having to acquire the previous debt.
In my companies case it was bought up and split up and it pretty much shook up the whole industry for quite a while but now its like it never happened meaning everybody's business that was effected by it initially is rolling right along unfortunately it does affect alot of good people as in my case they closed almost 1/2 of the branches and mine was one of them so after 29 years 6 months and at 50 years old I was job hunting :mad: but I was fortunate to walk out of one door straight into another albeit at a loss but i was still able to provide and still getting it almost 4 years later and will continue to.
I am worried about and feel your anxiety Rod and Mark and all the employees at the plant because i believe the economy in Spain is still in the toilet which it'll make it hard on them i'm sure to find future employment.
I also do understand all the posters wanting information on the future of the company and the outcome but its like the lottery right now you pick your numbers then wait to see if you won or wasted your money but you don't know the outcome and you never will know until its time so please go out and roost your asses off and keep all those affected in your thoughts.
 
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