My recent e-mail to Clay Stuckey of Sherco Offroad
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Wow, the same guy that said I would have to be an idiot to buy a gas gas, I happen to think Sherco are doing excellent work and producing some really interesting bikes, this kind of behaviour can only damage the Sherco brand, don't care how good the bikes are, this type of behaviour is just unpleasant and has no place in industry or sport.
CombatYoga
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Classy guy. He must be pretty bitter.
Nice piece of sleuth work Jeff - love it when non-technical clowns don't
realize how to hide their tracks!
Slade
Classy guy. He must be pretty bitter.
Nice piece of sleuth work Jeff - love it when non-technical clowns don't
realize how to hide their tracks!
Slade
ramcclure200
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Good work sniffing that one out Jeff.
Wow! he's still a bitter man and if I was his current employer I might be reevaluating because behavior like that is not the kind of employee I would want because what happens when he leaves them... stalking, slander, bitterness..on and on. He wouldn't be employed very long.
Wow! he's still a bitter man and if I was his current employer I might be reevaluating because behavior like that is not the kind of employee I would want because what happens when he leaves them... stalking, slander, bitterness..on and on. He wouldn't be employed very long.
Jacob 'Berg
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Great job Jeff! I think your response was succinct and appropriate given his inflammatory behavior.
We have "soft deleted" all of bobenduro's posts so that they are no longer publicly visible. We did this for a reason - We received a 'demand letter' from a legal firm requesting that we not let this discussion forum be used as a vehicle to harm their client (it is more complicated than that - but that is a high level summary) - this was some time ago.
Given this, we would appreciate it if you would not rehash the deleted information in this thread. In order to comply with the demand letter we received from the law firm - we would be forced to delete it.
Thanks,
Jeff
Ud_luz
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Why in the world would he think one would be inclined to purchase his products if he's bad mouthing the competition?
I've owned my company since 1978 and have never done so. For that matter it's been more effective selling my products by saying nice things about the others and doing truthful comparisons.
This has served me very well. Good products sell themselves.
I've owned my company since 1978 and have never done so. For that matter it's been more effective selling my products by saying nice things about the others and doing truthful comparisons.
This has served me very well. Good products sell themselves.
mtnmanseth
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I feel that's an appropriate response and the transparency is appreciated, Jeff.
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I have owned eleven GG bikes. My first was a new '97 EC250, second favorite behind a '98 EC250. I rode enduros with the first US importer. I never had a mechanical failure. Only DNFs were from broken bones and aftermarket parts. I can't find reason to make any negative comments regarding these bikes.
Do I understand, that if I did wish to make a negative comment, GG is negating my freedom of speech right on a public forum? I understand this forum surrendering to GG's legal system due to excessive costs to do otherwise.
My appreciation, interest, and respect for the GG brand has diminished due to restriction of public speech and this thread's original unprofessional post. Consequently, it is obvious, that this thread has been detrimental to GG and as such, should be deleted as stated by the administrator.
Do I understand, that if I did wish to make a negative comment, GG is negating my freedom of speech right on a public forum? I understand this forum surrendering to GG's legal system due to excessive costs to do otherwise.
My appreciation, interest, and respect for the GG brand has diminished due to restriction of public speech and this thread's original unprofessional post. Consequently, it is obvious, that this thread has been detrimental to GG and as such, should be deleted as stated by the administrator.
I honestly think this entire thread should be removed. GG Corp threatened legal action against this site and they removed all posts by Clay Stuckey and banned him from the site without any way to defend himself. What happened to freedom of speech that you Americans care so much about?
Do we 100% know that it was him posting as Bobenduro? What if it was an employee using a work computer? I ran into a similar situation years ago where I was accused of this and it turns out it was a summer student using the wifi at my shop to encourage people to use my services. He was only 15 and thought he was doing me a "favour" by promoting my business this way. I had no knowledge of it and reprimanded the employee when I found out.
This whole thread stinks. I think that it should have been handled behind closed doors before it went public. Without giving him any forum to defend himself or actions, I would encourage him to seek legal counsel on this matter.
Do we 100% know that it was him posting as Bobenduro? What if it was an employee using a work computer? I ran into a similar situation years ago where I was accused of this and it turns out it was a summer student using the wifi at my shop to encourage people to use my services. He was only 15 and thought he was doing me a "favour" by promoting my business this way. I had no knowledge of it and reprimanded the employee when I found out.
This whole thread stinks. I think that it should have been handled behind closed doors before it went public. Without giving him any forum to defend himself or actions, I would encourage him to seek legal counsel on this matter.
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JP4
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Things really are spiraling down with the GG brand, on all fronts. It's unfortunate.
High level summaries always raise questions for me...
I get why you don't want to get into the weeds on this, but there is something about your statement above that seems incomplete.
I respectfully ask the following question:
Does the GGRC forum, or any of its owners, accept any direct compensation, monetary payment, product or merchandise, or any other form of consideration, from Gas Gas Motos, S.A., or any of its directly controlled legally related entities?
I'm not trying to be a dick, or stir the pot, just trying to connect the dots for myself.
Thanks,
Jason
Ud_luz
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Lawyers. If I ran this site I'd do the same. There's no money doing this, just love of the bikes.
Jeff, I'm a long time mod on a large dirt bike board. I'd delete this thread and call it good (moderating in public usually doesn't work out well). There's nothing to be gained for anybody here.
The bad publicity from many other sources plus very poor business decisions by GG are becoming well known anyway.
--Bill.
To directly answer your question. The answer is "NO'. I don't own a gasgas and have only kept this going to serve the community. The only thing I get out of this website personally is that I leach off the commercial internet connection to my home that serves this website. And my personal connection to it - after many years - is hard to walk away from...
I ask for donations once every six months and the majority of those donating are member/owners here. This site by definition - is member owned and not for profit. GasGas Motos SA has never contributed to this website. GasGas Motos US has not donated to this website. They were a bit strapped trying to rebuild the business so I did not ask.
Further - in my many years of running this website - I never received any products or services for "free". I didn't feel it was right to do so - it seemed tacky to ask for something for myself - just kept the relationship much cleaner. That being said, I did approach companies and ask that they provide product for a rider if they were going to the ISDE, etc. In return, I offered them free advertising here for a period of time to return the favor.
I only cover my expenses here - and for many years I did not even do that.
Jeff
p.s. To give you a good overview of who supports this website - mostly it is a small number of owners who are very generous - they give 50 or 100 dollars every six months. A couple of dealers have been very faithfully kicking in 50 bucks every so often - Most dealers here get free advertising - simply because it benefits the gasgas community as a whole...
Some people on this forum have businesses to run, for others, like me, this is our hobby and we are consumers. If every brand, Ford, Chevy, Toyota etc, tried to control forums to exclude negative posts about their products they would not have time to build any products.
There is a minuscule number of people who post on this forum and in the big marketing scheme of things they don't add up to a grain of sand in the big picture. IMHO, GG has done more damage to itself than anyone else could do to them. Don't forget a lot of people on this forum have a common love of GG products and that should continue. However, if GG is liquidated then they won't make any more machines and people will have to move to another brand.
The level of a animosity and confrontation has increased dramatically on this forum. It's a shame because there are only a few of us who are/have been fanatical GG fans and it could only be worse to drive forum members away. Some people may buy other brands but still keep an older GG in the garage. It is counter productive to not let them gripe and complain about GG's bad decisions and the good and bad things about GG motorcycles imho. What has happened to GG is no longer a secret, many other riders on other forums are very vocal about the demise of GG and they actually are making jokes about how limited the negative comments are on this board.
In the big business picture, what people say on this forum won't change anything at all. But if people are precluded from expressing their opinion about products,service and management, you will have a forum that no one goes to and no one cares about anymore,imho.
There is a minuscule number of people who post on this forum and in the big marketing scheme of things they don't add up to a grain of sand in the big picture. IMHO, GG has done more damage to itself than anyone else could do to them. Don't forget a lot of people on this forum have a common love of GG products and that should continue. However, if GG is liquidated then they won't make any more machines and people will have to move to another brand.
The level of a animosity and confrontation has increased dramatically on this forum. It's a shame because there are only a few of us who are/have been fanatical GG fans and it could only be worse to drive forum members away. Some people may buy other brands but still keep an older GG in the garage. It is counter productive to not let them gripe and complain about GG's bad decisions and the good and bad things about GG motorcycles imho. What has happened to GG is no longer a secret, many other riders on other forums are very vocal about the demise of GG and they actually are making jokes about how limited the negative comments are on this board.
In the big business picture, what people say on this forum won't change anything at all. But if people are precluded from expressing their opinion about products,service and management, you will have a forum that no one goes to and no one cares about anymore,imho.
JP4
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Jeff,
Thanks for the response, I appreciate the honesty. I wasn't trying to imply anything re: your motives, just trying to better understand what is going on. This is all going crazy. Maybe killing the thread is the best idea.
Having said that, I think it was a dick move to have posted the email that you sent to Clay. You should have dealt with the issue privately.
Sure, you may be pissed about the alleged conduct, but be a better man. You've never screwed up?
What you did messes with a man's reputation and livelihood ... that's not cool where I come from. This is simply an internet forum!
Not sure what Clay ever did to you, or the personal history between you two, but your post was way over the top.
It's turned me off the site.
Thanks for the response, I appreciate the honesty. I wasn't trying to imply anything re: your motives, just trying to better understand what is going on. This is all going crazy. Maybe killing the thread is the best idea.
Having said that, I think it was a dick move to have posted the email that you sent to Clay. You should have dealt with the issue privately.
Sure, you may be pissed about the alleged conduct, but be a better man. You've never screwed up?
What you did messes with a man's reputation and livelihood ... that's not cool where I come from. This is simply an internet forum!
Not sure what Clay ever did to you, or the personal history between you two, but your post was way over the top.
It's turned me off the site.
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