Tubeless Tires ?
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nambo-trev
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So what are these mouses??
roostafish
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Trev, mousses are a reference to the brand name tied to Michelin Bib Mousse foam inserts. They are used extensively in the isde and offer flat free riding. Drawbacks are that they are heavy, they don't always hold the bread I correctly around the rim, especially near the rim lock if you aren't careful, and when you have to change a tire in four minutes, I sure am not careful. Sometimes they right themselves, but sometimes the don't, and you can get a wobbly feel from the rear end as it bounces up and down. Worse yet, it's the dead feel, and lack of compliance you can get from a tire with air in it. Oh, and lest I forget to mention, you had better use the entire container of lube on each insert before mounting them, or they will disintegrate.
The plus is, they can be changed very quickly because you don't need to add air. More over, you won't get a flat tire.
I hope that clears it up, though I'll bet you were just yanking my chain about not knowing.
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The plus is, they can be changed very quickly because you don't need to add air. More over, you won't get a flat tire.
I hope that clears it up, though I'll bet you were just yanking my chain about not knowing.
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nambo-trev
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Nope I sure wasn't, apparently haven't heard it all but thanks a lot for explaining it. Kind of sounds like the tubliss would be better in your opinion then for our application ?
nambo-trev
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I could deal with that I just wouldn't want to compromise feel and weight for a quick plug to repair a tubliss
swazi_matt
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For the inexperienced like me I would say changing a mousse would take much longer than tubliss or tubes, it is like changing a tire when the tube is still inflated :-/
swazi_matt
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To add to that mousses are for the pro's (and weekend warriors that value their riding time over punctures) but are also not 100% remember how they kept collapsing on Coma at the first S American Dakar (there were unofficial rumors that despress used tubliss ) I Aldo know that one of the top 10 roof finishers used the tubliss as a rimlock with a trials tire and mousse
Jakobi tubliss will compliment your nice suspension, but you will probably need to go for a tire with a stronger sidewall to avoid sidewall cuts - I know mitas is working closely with tubliss and also to get closer to being flat-proof they are working on a tire that will be a runflat keeping a pressure of about 0.3bar with a puncture, but that is still under development
Jakobi tubliss will compliment your nice suspension, but you will probably need to go for a tire with a stronger sidewall to avoid sidewall cuts - I know mitas is working closely with tubliss and also to get closer to being flat-proof they are working on a tire that will be a runflat keeping a pressure of about 0.3bar with a puncture, but that is still under development
mcnut
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My son and I have been using the bib mousse inserts for a few years. Flat-proof is hard to beat. Cost is only slightly higher than the TuBliss. We like the non-bouncy feel. It seems to make the bike feel more planted. And after doing it a few times, with the proper tools, they're as easy (or easier) to change than a tubed tire.
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djroggen
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I have ran mousses before, and I have to say the piece of mind that you get while riding is worth it. You just never worry about a flat. I used to ride around rocks for fear of a pinch, not with a mousse just point and gas it. The tires figure it out. The tires with mousses in do feel dead, and you become accustomed to them. I think I still prefer this dead feeling people talk about. Now, I wanted to try out tubes again. Ran Motoz Uber Duty tubes and never had a flat or had to air them up more than once mid season, only to let the air back out. Tubes I think are more meant for motocross than for hardcore enduros. To each their own!
I recently went to Tubliss as well and I love it. I was running a soft terrain tire in the back for about a month and it was way to soft for the Tubliss. I carry a plug kit with me but the cool thing is you can just run them flat. Several times I got back to the trail head and found the rear was flat and I didn't even know. I'm sure partly because the tire was so soft it felt flat to me all the time anyway.
As far as bending or flat spotting a rim, I think the rim is safer with the Tubliss running flat than with a tube. This is because the high pressure tube keeps the bead firmly seated with 100+ psi on it keeping it strengthened from the inside, just as it does the rest of the wheel.
I used to ride BMX bikes and it was the same idea with air pressure. The more air, the stronger the wheel.
I think the tires feel much better without the tube against them too. Anyone who has converted from tube to tubeless on their mountain bike can tell you that. At the same exact air pressures the tires are way more compliant.
As far as bending or flat spotting a rim, I think the rim is safer with the Tubliss running flat than with a tube. This is because the high pressure tube keeps the bead firmly seated with 100+ psi on it keeping it strengthened from the inside, just as it does the rest of the wheel.
I used to ride BMX bikes and it was the same idea with air pressure. The more air, the stronger the wheel.
I think the tires feel much better without the tube against them too. Anyone who has converted from tube to tubeless on their mountain bike can tell you that. At the same exact air pressures the tires are way more compliant.
FDB
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If you follow the install and maintenance instructions you will have no issues.
Fit them on fresh tires if you can.
Rimlock marks on the inside of old tires cause it to not seal so great.
Also..
I found that if you tape the whole inside of your rim nicecand smooth with ductape, they seal even better.
Fit them on fresh tires if you can.
Rimlock marks on the inside of old tires cause it to not seal so great.
Also..
I found that if you tape the whole inside of your rim nicecand smooth with ductape, they seal even better.
djroggen
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I was using a metzeller soft terrain tire, just because it came new with the bike and the terrain here is extremely rocky and sharp. Also, as soon as I didn't have to worry about pinch flats and the tire de-beading, my riding style changed quite a bit. I used to pick my way through the rock gardens, now I just look up the trail to where I want to be and hammer it.
Mostly though, I blame the tire. When I removed it I was surprised to see the cord was loose all around one side. You could put your fingers through it and pull on it. I bet my experience with the new Maxxis Desert IT will be different.
Mostly though, I blame the tire. When I removed it I was surprised to see the cord was loose all around one side. You could put your fingers through it and pull on it. I bet my experience with the new Maxxis Desert IT will be different.
swazi_matt
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we don't get those maxxis here, but i believe you can ride those without having to pump them up at all
Fred1956
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The traction increase that I got with them made a Dunlop MX51 unusable around here, 1 lap around the typical rocky course down here would yield 2-3 knobs ripped from the carcass, like you had clamped vice grips on the knob and twisted it out leaving a hole you could put your thumb in, still finished the race on the flat but never had that issue with tubes in the MX51 so I blamed it on the increased traction and went to stiffer reinforced tires no more knob loss after that
