Couldn't agree more. The bones are good, spend more time on refinement and the bike would be a real killer.
Future GG - what would you specify ?
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Couldn't agree more. The bones are good, spend more time on refinement and the bike would be a real killer.
stabak
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1. Needle/jetted correctly out of the box. I'm all in refining and suiting to needs but they should work ok with stock specs and recommendations.
2. Less weight without losing that planted feeling
3. Better battery position.
4. Better plastic mounts
Got a 2015 and can't complain much. Sure my buddy's beta is lighter and sparkier but has cheapo rims and peripherals, loses side plastics and needs suspension work done too...
2. Less weight without losing that planted feeling
3. Better battery position.
4. Better plastic mounts
Got a 2015 and can't complain much. Sure my buddy's beta is lighter and sparkier but has cheapo rims and peripherals, loses side plastics and needs suspension work done too...
twowheels
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Really? Have you ridden the new Sachs CC fork? Has anyone you know ridden it? Just not that good - really?
BTW, the new WP OC on the 16s is quite good ...
CACTUSREID
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I would like to see them bring back the rear grab handles that my 01 and 06 had just below the seat. so handy for lifting your bike over obstacles and logs. fix the kickstand so it is not a spring loaded weapon. An adjustable power valve would be real nice as well. bring back the steering neck rad expansion tank as well. and a softer air boot from the airbox to the carb, is something that people have been complaining about for years And put some top shelf suspension on the bike at both ends, as this would be a real selling /decision making point on whether to buy a gasser or another brand. Most guy's i ride with spend approx $1500 to get their suspension set up for them after they buy the bike and the skid plates etc.
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Rod Overstreet
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What year model GG do you have? The 2015 model manuals are VERY much improved from past efforts.
2011 ec200 six days. Using my old Ktm manuals for a reference. Would there be a new with more useful info? I'm thankful to have had the ktms in the past. I would be lost for maintenance otherwise...
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Rod Overstreet
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I would suggest you simply make your own bracket but it must be the same thickness as the stock piece. I tried using aluminum stock you find at Lowes but it is too thick, not allowing the clearance needed for the fuel tank. Another solution is to simply mount the regulator on the top tree, behind the front number plate, but that will involve cutting and splicing the wiring harness, then heat shrinking it all back.
Rod Overstreet
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Then I understand your situation! Not sure if you even have access to the stock manual from back then, but here is the link.http://www.gasgasmotos.es/en/manuals/2.html2011 ec200 six days. Using my old Ktm manuals for a reference. Would there be a new with more useful info? I'm thankful to have had the ktms in the past. I would be lost for maintenance otherwise...
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Simply download the manual on a stick. While you are on the manuals site, check out the 15 manuals. I think you will be very surprised at the effort that was put into it.
Aside from what is found here, I am not aware of any other printed tech info. The good news is, you have an unlimited amount of knowledge at your finger tips here on the forum. The members here, know Gas Gas pretty darn well.
I'd prefer a Smart Carb instead. Rode a bike with one and was very impressed. Have one on the way for my '12.
Simple clean design, with only one or two things to adjust & once set up, just leave it alone.
memphis2857
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I have ridden the new Sachs and was not happy. To be fair the bike was way under sprung for me though. I have also ridden a 16 300xc-w (OC right?) and it was still a harsh WP fork.
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twowheels
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You might be the only guy in the country to have ridden the new Sachs CC fork. The first load of Beta Racing Edition bikes with the CC forks are due in about a month from now.
memphis2857
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What Sachs forks did I ride? Was a 2015 300rr. Are these open chamber forks?
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Rod Overstreet
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Technically...if the CC fork hasn't even reached our shores yet....then you DID ride the newest fork "available".
memphis2857
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Technically...if the CC fork hasn't even reached our shores yet....then you DID ride the newest fork "available".
Lol. Guess I was misinformed. I was under the impression that the 2015 had CC forks. I rode a 300rr and a 300rr Racers Edition back to back. I liked the Marzochi forks on the racers edition much better.
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Jakobi
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The new Sachs CC forks will replace the Marz 48mm PFP. The base model rr's have been using Sachs OC.
Sachs build quality has been OK in the past, and apparently has improved a far way from the 07-11 gear that has come on some Gassers. A newly developed CC model should be great as long as they don't try to reinvent the wheel (which it appears they haven't). 7mm ID shims are becoming more available too, which is good. Biggest beef I had/have with Sachs has been the lack of technical information and parts replacement. If you couldn't find a crossover you were pretty much screwed.
Which leads onto technical documentation and agree with previous comments. Biggest pitfall as a new owner was the lack of any technical/workshop manual. Coming from Yamaha I was accustomed to full schematic with torque figures for everything. Welcome to Gas Gas and the best you can find is an 05 Workshop manual with some torque figures that have clearly been lost in translation. I too often cross reference with both Yamaha/Ktm manuals as well as my own notes... But this puts the onus back on the owner to research and record when it really should be something that's freely available (at least to dealers). I mean, what do they follow at the factory during assembly?
memphis2857
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It's a shame to see the Marz 48's go. I got to ride a 14 demo bike with House of Horsepower progressive springs in it and they were great! Even better than the 48's on my 2011 with progressive springs. I guess they did some valving changes because the ones on the 14 were worlds better. The Reiger Shock worked quite well too!
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Rod Overstreet
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I have yet to have someone test ride my bike and not come back with a big smile on their face. First thing out of their mouth is, "Wow...who done the suspension work and how much did it cost?" My "secret" setup???...Progressive springs up front from HoHP, sag set correctly front and rear, man size spring rate for the shock, and the clickers simply set at what Richard Wilson recommends for the area. Best I've ever had. I can't imagine what it would be like if I had Richard revalve and do his other magic tricks
twowheels
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Technically...if the CC fork hasn't even reached our shores yet....then you DID ride the newest fork "available".
Almost - the base RRs with an updated Sachs OC have been here since August.
